Movement As Medicine

Your body is telling the truth long before your mind can build an argument. Lyanette Talley sits down with Allison Pagano, founder of Embodied Dance, to explore embodiment, somatic healing, and how movement can become a direct path to emotional processing, nervous system regulation, and real self-trust.

We talk about why so many women feel disconnected from their intuition and stuck in “push through it” mode, and how that disconnection shows up as tension, shutdown, resentment, and the weight-of-the-world feeling in the shoulders and neck. Allison unpacks the role of sacred rage, why anger is often a doorway to grief, and how giving the body permission to express what it has carried can create lasting change without needing to perform strength or polish your pain.

You’ll also get practical tools for everyday life, including how to tell fear versus intuition and a simple body-based yes/no practice you can use when you’re making decisions about relationships, work, and boundaries. We connect the dots between trauma triggers and present-moment signals, and why alignment between mind, emotions, and body can create “unexpected” breakthroughs.

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Transcript

Movement, Healing, And Coming Home

Speaker 0:00

Today, we are diving into the wisdom of the body, healing through movement, and what it truly means to come home to yourself. I'm joined by Allison Pagano, founder of Embodied Dance, dancer, somatic practitioner, teacher, and transformational guide, whose work blends over 25 years of experience in dance, healing arts, movement, and embodiment practices. Through her work, Allison helps people reconnect with the intelligence of the body, uncover patterns held beneath the surface, and move toward healing, authenticity, and personal transformation. In a world that often teaches us to disconnect from ourselves, Allison's work asks a powerful question. What if the body already holds the answers we've been searching for? This conversation explores movement as medicine, healing beyond words, reclaiming your voice through body, and what becomes possible when we stop performing life and start embodying it. Please welcome Allison Pagano. Hi, I am your host, Lyanette Talley, and you are listening to Virago 24/7. Virago is Latin for female warrior, and 24/7 is for all day, every day. Virago 24/7 is a weekly podcast that brings diverse women together to talk about life and our experiences in this world. We share our views on self-love, mental health, marriage, children, friendships, and really anything that we talked about. Here you will find everyday growth, everyday healing, with everyday warriors.

Australia Life And Finding Peace

Speaker 1:58

You're all the way in Australia.

unknown 2:00

I am.

Speaker 2:01

That's so cool.

Speaker 1 2:02

Originally from New Jersey.

Speaker 2:04

New Jersey here, yeah. How long have you been there?

Speaker 1 2:07

Uh I've been here uh almost going on three years now. Okay. Um I did part of my undergraduate studies here in the late 90s when I was studying cultural anthropology. And um I had a pocket of students in my dance teacher training that were in Australia, and I uh came over to do a retreat in early 2023, and I met my now husband.

Speaker 2:29

Wow.

Speaker 1 2:30

So that's how that all worked out.

Speaker 2:31

That is so cool. How cool is that? How are you like in Australia?

Speaker 1 2:36

Oh, I I'm I am I feel just incredibly blessed when I wake up in the morning because the quality of life and the nature is so nourishing, so different from um what you know, my my uh yeah, where I'm where I'm from. Yeah, no yeah, it's not noisy, it's not busy, it's like quiet. People walk around town without shoes on because they have to, but because they want to.

Speaker 2:59

That is so cool. My husband, so he was in the Navy back in the 90s and he was stationed in Japan, but one of their uh when they had time off, they would go travel, and Australia was one of them, and he said it was like the coolest place ever. Like that was his favorite place to visit while he was over there. Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 3:17

If you ever make your make it over here, um I live about 20 minutes north of Byron Bay, so it's um it's really truly paradise. And I've lived a lot of places in the world, and it's just peaceful here. I live across the street from the river, the beach is empty, beautiful, like it's kind of unbelievable. I mean, granted, we're going into winter. Winter is like 50 degrees, so it's like that is so awesome. I can handle that.

Speaker 3:41

That is so awesome. I um I crave now that I'm getting older, I'm craving peace and quiet. And like where I live, it is so much traffic. So I am north of Atlanta, like 30 minutes north of Atlanta in the suburbs, and it's just lots of people. People, people, people. A lot, a lot of noise. Um, my husband and I just got away this weekend. Um, we went up literally an hour north of us is the mountains, and it feels like you've driven like five hours. And so we went for the weekend, and I'm like, this is this is what I need. So we're just trying to get these kids out of the house so that so that I can regroup and like live how you're living. Yeah, well, how many years do you have before they're well? The youngest is about to turn 16 in a few weeks. The oldest um is 25, and then our son just graduated like last week. So he just graduated high school. So we're so we're almost there. We're almost there.

Speaker 1 4:39

Wow, and that's a that's a quite an accomplishment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing.

Speaker 4:43

All

What Embodied Dance Actually Is

Speaker 4:44

right, Allison. So you are on here because you have um a a business, a company, a service. It's called Embodied Dance. And what I was reading, it's that it's it's movement, it's dancing, obviously, because that's part of the name. And what I was reading on your website, it's that you use dance and movement to heal, to bring awareness to our bodies, um, to transform us. So tell me like what your services are and what you you do.

Speaker 1 5:12

Sure, sure. So uh my main thing that I offer at this moment is I lead a global dance teacher training using dance as a healing art because I felt that the most fulfilling and uh deepest calling part of what I want to say, my my greater mission is that I've been listening to it now, is to support women in their leadership. Women who have um something inside of them that feels like they know that they're meant to work with others, they know that they're meant to come back to more uh sentience, to more feeling, to more gnosis, and to lead from that feminine embodiment who quite don't fit into most of the paradigms we see out there. They're not the boss bitch or the over-sexualized thing that you know women do to get attention. But how is it, how do you actually find your power from the truth of who you are, from the truth of what you what you're sourcing to, and to be that um sense of holding and connection, not only for yourself and for others, because you know, as we can look around, it's kind of like all hands on deck right now. Things have been hard and they're continuing to get more and more strange and unusual on a global level. So I feel like that's what I'm being called to do is really support women in their leadership. However, I also work with women one-on-one. I also um work and teach programs that support people to process emotions through their bodies so that they can um clear their limiting beliefs, um, clear the stagnancy, clear the cycles of sometimes trauma and drama that we don't even know that we're in. Um, and my background has been unique, which is why I've developed this the way that I have, because I had parallel tracks of professional dance um training, a lot of somatic training coupled with healing arts and doing hands-on healing and very spiritual work. So um a little bit different than the two paradigms of either kind of straight dance therapy or professional dance. And I would say even dance therapy, in my opinion, it's a little bit farther removed from the spiritual side. So this is uh a deeper sense of really coming home to yourself inside your body, befriending who you are, um, finding your peace in the world and being able to share that.

Speaker 7:32

Yeah, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 7:34

It feels very utopian, how to work.

Speaker 7:36

How did you get to this point? Like, did something big happen or just happened gradually through the years? How did you get

Eating Disorder Recovery Through Embodiment

Speaker 7:43

here?

Speaker 1 7:43

Yeah, so it was there was a big moment, um, and I talk about it probably in a lot of different ways. But I was actually here in the late 90s, like I mentioned that I was doing my um my undergraduate degree in cultural anthropology, and I was here in Australia and I was moving through a massive eating disorder, and I was completely shut down, locked inside myself, had very little connection to feeling. I was basically numb, stranger in my own body. And um I had signed up for this amazing class called spiritual well-being, which I thought was really strange for the late 90s, because you didn't, you know, it wasn't like today. It was kind of like, you know, where what is that? And there was an amazing um indigenous or First Nations woman who was teaching this class that she was just a powerhouse and she could hold space for all of it. And um, what I ultimately ended up doing was having a space to really process um a lot of the the unconscious wounding and pain that I was holding in my body that was had that had me feel so shut down. So it was through using my body and using this sense of what I was learning from her, what I was learning about the energy systems, what I was learning about meditation, what I was learning about how to connect. Um, and I brought that to my own healing process because basically I hit a ceiling where I said, I think I'm done just hating life and hating my body and hating whatever this is, and I don't know why I'm like this, but I think I'm kind of done, and nutritionists aren't helping, and I don't really see anybody who's got the answer to this, so I'm gonna have to figure it out. So I just really used that time as an opportunity, and it really shifted things for me, and it really worked. Um, I ended up performing something for the class, which ended up being um, you know, the uh the expression of uh what I had delved into for those months. And there was something about being seen in this kind of raw, uh, you know, upside-down hopsy turkey um exploration that gave me a sense of self-acceptance and safety in my body as well. It was like, okay, I can own this. This is mine, it belongs to me, I can, I can be with this. And I slowly started learning how to eat again after that. It was a gradual process, but I started just saying, like, I think I'm okay. I think I'm gonna be okay. I think this is gonna, you know, um, this is gonna serve me. And then I spent the next 20, 25 years gathering tools, gathering skills, um, and all in somatics and healing and really understanding why people heal, why people don't, um, and just working with the body, learning from all these different teachers, and ultimately coming back to that original way of working in the late 90s of um being able to connect with what was true in the body and move it, give it an expression, give it a voice, give it a process, and also choose a new empowerment, choose how I want to move. So I realized that there was a deep way of being able to do these things that not only I could do, but I could teach other people. That it wasn't just something that I was meant to do, and okay, now Allison's better, great. But it's like this can help people. There's something here, there's something that I can really serve. So that's how all that came about.

How Somatic Sessions Work In Practice

Speaker 11:13

So say I signed up. Like how what does that look like? What how do you I'm assuming because you're in Australia, everything is online and I'm sure you have people there, but so what does that look like for me if I were to sign up for your course?

Speaker 1 11:26

Yeah, sure. So if I'm working with you one-on-one, basically what I would be asking you about is what it is that you are moving through, connecting, you know, concerned about, needing. Where are you in your life? What is coming up for you? What is um what's got your attention? What are you transitioning through? What's hard for you to understand? And we would kind of kind of get to the grit of what it is that's that's really maybe holding you back or making you, you know, maybe you've got a chronic issue, uh, illness, or something, or you're going through a divorce, or whatever it is, there's something that's happening when people usually come to me. They feel like they've they're they're kind of crossing a bridge and they don't know how to get to the other side. So what we do is we inquire about where those different thoughts, feelings, and beliefs are living inside the body. And we do that just by simply learning how to feel more, learning how to connect with what's present and what's here. And it seems really simple, but we were never really taught to value feeling, to value um being with what's true. We were taught like feeling is something that you do if you're weak, or being sensitive is something that people do when they've got problems, right? But we've never understood it as a superpower. So what I'm really helping people to do initially is just to come back into feeling and self-trust. So I'm dialoguing with them around what they can notice, what's here, what do they feel? And through a series of inquiries, I'm just guiding them back to what they already sense and know. So basically, just holding a mirror, more or less, and giving them the safety to say, all of you is welcome. You don't have to hide anything. And that thing that you feel like nobody can handle, it's okay.

Speaker 3 13:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1 13:19

And just giving them space for that. So then what we do is um we see what's activated in the body. Well, now that I'm talking about it, I can feel my right shoulder just getting really tense. It's like, okay, well, that's where this is kind of being held. How does that need to move to express? So there's, you know, I'm really simplifying it, but there's a lot of different inquiries and ways that we find where in the body we're really holding these uh muscular contractions or tensions or feelings that are perhaps tied usually to something in the past, usually tied to something that happened in childhood. We're giving that emotion or we're giving that space um an opportunity to really be seen, witnessed, processed. Um, and then on the other side of it, choosing. So now that that's been seen and processed and witnessed, what what do you really want now? What would you what now that you can have more, what would that look like? And then being able to dance and move that. So there's a little rewiring or a lot of rewiring of the nervous system and also rewiring, what to say, of the neural pathways in the brain. Because what I've noticed is that over the last couple decades, even working with other teachers, it was something about when the mind, the emotions, and the physical body all come into saying the same thing. You can have an amazing recovery, a miracle, something that completely is unexpected. It's because of these different parts of us are often saying different things and we're often not unified in what's really happening. When we bring all of our parts into an alignment, that's when there's healing. That's what I've noticed.

Speaker 15:07

I love that you're saying that. I've had a few guests um in the past few months, and I feel like you all are saying you have different ways of doing it, but you're all saying the same thing of us being aligned, like our spiritual, our physical, our um emotional coming together and being like one. And and so it's just interesting, like talking to you know, different people that come on that it's all the same that we're looking for. We just there's just different ways of doing it and going about that.

Rage, Grief, And Where Women Hold It

Speaker 15:38

So I um one of the questions, so when you were talking about um the tensions in our body, where do women because I know a lot of people always say, like, for women, we hold a lot of um tension in our in our shoulders and blah, blah, blah. So, what emotions do you think women suppress the most? And like, where does it show up in their body, or is it different depending on the person?

Speaker 1 16:05

Well, there's a couple of different things, and this is a great question. I love this. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, but the people you've interviewed as well. But what I've noticed for myself, um also just to be you know transparent, becoming also a perimenopausal woman, you kind of like you know, your emotions start shifting in different ways. Oh, yeah. But as a um massage therapist, what I always noticed was women's shoulder blades, typically. Shoulders, trapezius, rhomboids behind, you know, shoulder, shoulder blades, neck. Uh in body language, that would be control. Feeling lack of control, um, also feeling what I call weight of the world syndrome, the shoulds. And um usually not being met emotionally and feeling like they have to do it all themselves. So if I was gonna look at it from a body language, psychosomatic point of view, it's normally those things. Men always the not always, but typically lower back support, not knowing how to support other people or getting support themselves. That's normally in the heart, so shoulder blades. So those were the things that I noticed. But in terms of emotional qualities, the thing that's been very interesting is women have a shit ton of rage. That is true. And um, we most of the time have never been able to touch it. It's not welcome. Um, people tell us it's bad to feel angry, and there is righteous anger. I feel like it comes a point in time when you really need to touch the things that um have really created pain and problems, and really be able to say, you know, that wasn't right, and I'm angry, and to let yourself feel it. Because when you don't feel it, you become prisoner of it somehow, and it just stays locked in there and you just keep smiling, but you're building up walls and walls of resentment. And the resentment is ultimately cutting you off from life force, from relationships. And it's again not to make anybody bad or wrong. I was a person who also carried around a lot of anger until I started really saying, you know what? It's okay for me to meet this, even if my family doesn't think it's acceptable, even if you know I've never heard that it's okay to do this. I'm gonna take out the punching bags. I've got something, I've got something I'm really feeling, and it's like I don't want to keep it circulating in here. So I feel like rage and anger are doorways also, because underneath that, and my first mentor always said that to me, underneath the rage is always grief, is always the sadness. So um we can't often touch the fullness of the grief, usually, depending on the situation, what the trauma is, um, unless we've really let ourselves be angry about it. And it's not that we stay angry, it's not that we walk around and we're just letting ourselves, you know, break people down, but just accepting that I feel angry and I'm actually gonna take a run. I'm gonna like put on a piece of music and just you know rip into it in whatever way I need to. Um and letting your body really process through what's true. And I feel like the more that we allow ourselves just to say, like, this is true for me, and it's okay. The more that we bring self-acceptance to other people. So it's a really beautiful uh practice of growing empathy and growing compassion as well.

Speaker 19:30

Yeah. I love your thoughts on that. No, I just love how you're giving, you know, not that you're the authority or anything, but you're you're allowing women to give themselves permission to feel. And based on things that I've read, because I naturally I'm an angry person and I've had to learn, and maybe it wasn't always justified or always good. And so I had to learn not to always um revert to that emotion. But when I do feel it, I'm trying to give myself permission just to just sit in it because a lot of the times I feel like growing up, it was it was looked down upon. Like I was the angry, the angry child or the one that caused a lot of problems. And it's because I didn't feel like I could really speak my mind. And if I did, it always came out in anger because I stuffed it and stuffed it and stuffed it. So I like that you just are allowing you're giving that woman permission to to release that.

Speaker 1 20:31

Up until like a year or so ago, I'm even telling my father, like, I'm really angry about this. And he's like, don't be angry. I think generationally, just sort of like what they were told. People were just trying to cope and get by. So they didn't let the big emotions come in because there was just too much to get done, there was too much to do, and it was like, no, you gotta keep going.

Speaker 20:51

Yep, get over it, keep it moving. Yeah.

Speaker 1 20:53

So we're the first healing generation, I say. We're the first ones who are like, okay, this generational trauma, I'm gonna dive into that. Yeah, hold that, I'm gonna look at that. And um, you know, we're starting to really give permission not only for ourselves, like you're saying, but also the the younger generation, which you know, they've got a lot, they've got a lot to deal with. Oh, yeah. You know, they didn't get to grow up in the 80s and the 90s. Life was a little bit more carefree.

Speaker 21:17

Yes. How old are you, anyways? I'm 48. Okay, okay. So we're similar. So I'm 46. So we're we're close in age. So yes, the 80s and 90s were were lots of fun. It it it was a lot more freedom for sure. Um I I don't know. It's it's one of those things where that part of things was good, but like the family life wasn't always the best because of what you're saying, because of the emotional stuff that had to be stuffed down. So, you know, there's give and take for for our generation.

Speaker 1 21:48

I think for any highly sensitive person, it was like you could feel the dissonance between what people are saying and what's actually happening.

Speaker 21:54

Yes.

Speaker 1 21:54

I think that that created a lot of misunderstanding. People didn't talk about communication back then. And people didn't talk about most things. And I think that was the hard part is that nobody talked about it. Yeah, we're flipping the script in these times.

Speaker 22:07

I love it. I love it. Um why?

Why Self Trust Gets Trained Out

Speaker 22:11

Because you earlier said something about um allowing ourselves to trust ourselves um through through the movement. Why do you think a lot of women, like why do you think we don't trust ourselves?

Speaker 1 22:22

And it's similar to what I was sharing uh earlier. It's just it hasn't been encouraged or supported on any level. Anything um we've been encouraged to be more like men. It's like it's you know, get it done. Don't feel. I don't think that we've ever really truly allowed for the feminine gift of feeling and gnosis to be valued, period. Maybe up until now. And I feel such a strong calling to hold that for women. Um, and for I just want to say all people, because we have a masculine and a feminine inside all of us. And I think that suppression of the feminine has not only been just women, it's also been men. But when you disconnect from feeling, you disconnect from all that information. There's waves of information that are constantly coming in that are meant to direct and protect you. But we have not been taught to listen, to feel, to be quiet, and to, if anything, nobody's even, you know, that idea of trusting what you feel. I've healed a lot. I mean, I've when I say healed, I've held space for a lot of people to do their healing over the last couple of decades, and none of it has been about science. And let me tell you, they are changed and they're it's elastic. Yeah. And it wasn't because I had the right brand of chemistry or chemicals or white papers, you know, that could figure it out. So, you know, there's something very basic in what we need around this. And I think once it becomes a practice, just like eating well, it's something that you have for life.

unknown 24:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1 24:04

It's something that you say, well, this actually gets me into my aliveness. This actually is creating better relationships. This is helping me be better in my work. This is helping me be better with my kids. And because you can see almost the immediate benefit of what that does, you know that it's inherently valuable and that we've been completely misdirected and lied to because there's an incredible amount of power in it. And we all know on some level, you know, that having the masses being in power is not necessarily over the course of history what any people who are in some types of government or political or whatever religious even want for us. Yeah. Right? They don't want us in our power. They want us obedient, my opinion. And it's historical, you can kind of see. So yeah, it feels like a big um, yeah, it feels like it's a it's an evolution and a revolutionary thing to do. It's just feeling and trusting it.

Speaker 25:08

I've come a long way. Like I wasn't always this way, but you get to a point, like you said earlier, like you're just tired of being a certain way. And like it's like I cannot continue this way. I have to learn how to communicate, I have to learn how to figure out these emotions and these feelings and how to move through this world differently.

Speaker 1 25:24

So that's what the work that I do typically is is go, okay, where did that belief system come in that you couldn't do that? Like, let's let's hold that through it. And when they're ready, they can. Yeah. I would love to hear, you know, a little bit. I'm sure you've shared on probably on other podcasts as well, but some of the things that you had to come to in order to feel like, okay, this is okay for me to do.

Speaker 25:45

I think for so for me, um, like I feel like my childhood wasn't, I don't think it wasn't stable. We moved a lot, my parents were divorced, my dad remarried, and then having to be um kind of thrown into this new family. There was never, like you said, that generation didn't really like sit down and talk to you like this. This is what's gonna happen. It just happened, and you have to just learn to just love it. And if you don't love it, something's wrong with you. And so it it created a lot of resentment, a lot of anger, um, because it was a blanded family. So stepmom had kids, my dad had kids, they had one together, and they did not do the best job in bringing us together. And so, anyways, there's a lot of turmoil. And then when my dad passed away um back in 2013, and it was one of those things where it's like shit now, like all that turmoil and all the arguing and and the like the kind of strange relationship, I can't fix that, like he's gone. And um, yeah, that was a turning point for me. Um I don't know why I get so emotional still about it, but um I I had to realize I don't show up the way I need to need to. I can't blame everybody. Like I have to figure out a way for me to show up differently, and so that's where it started. Sorry. Um please don't be sorry.

Speaker 1 27:20

I I think it's so great to, I mean, the you know, feelings. We're talking about feelings. So I think allowing ourselves, and I I let myself cry all the time. I'm like, if I feel sadder just place my hand on my heart and I have tears roll.

Speaker 27:33

It's just it's been so long that it just sometimes I I can talk about it and no tears, but sometimes I get like, yeah, that was the catalyst of like shit, like once they're gone, they're gone. And so let me figure out what the relationships that I have, let me figure out a way. Now, some of them, if I'm gonna be honest, like the one with my stepmom, once my dad passed away, it's just like I can't even, I can't even do this anymore. The only reason I was trying is because of him. And there was no change on her, like there was just no change. Um, it could be me, it could be her. I'm not trying to blame anybody, but it was more of um, let's let's figure out the people that belong in my life, the ones that are there, let's figure out how to a way to communicate better, not get so worked up about things, not get so angry with my kids over small things. And um, so yeah, so and then starting this podcast, I wanted more women to feel like heard. Like this is okay. Like what you're saying, it's okay to have these emotions. It's okay to be pissed off at the past, but now what do we do? Like, let's not live there, let's like move forward and and do something different.

Speaker 1 28:50

And the feeling I feel like gives so much information because it's also like a bit of a guidance, like, uh, like what uh what actually makes me sad about this? And if I can touch what actually makes me sad, then I can kind of get where my body and my soul and spirit is really guiding me. Yeah. And it's like, oh, I'm really sad that this happened, didn't happen once, wasn't now what, you know, but I think always just being cute, being uh what I call compassionately curious. And to like go into the layers of it without feeling like you can't get out, just to say, oh, I'm just gonna be curious about this, not make myself wrong or bad about it.

Speaker 2 29:27

But like, huh?

Speaker 1 29:28

I was really curious why do I feel so what? Oh. Information, interesting. It's just it's it's um, yeah, it it becomes that good that sense of guidance. And I love that you shared that so much. Thank you.

Speaker 29:43

And I have talked about it a lot, and I have cried a lot on this podcast every time I touch on that because it's I feel like when something breaks open within you, like with something opens up, you see things differently, um, and you kind of remember where it started, you you get emotional because you see how far you've come from that moment. So it's it's happy tears. It is happy tears.

Speaker 1 30:07

Yeah, it was a long time to grow into these new ways that you're holding yourself, that you're holding your family, that you're holding people when they come to connect with you to see, you know. And you know, side note, there's probably still pain there in the little girl, just like for everybody's little girl, right? That's where all the pain is.

Speaker 30:24

Have you had anybody come in that just surprised you, like their transformation just surprised you? Do you get to go along that journey with them, or do you just um kind of guide them and let them go? Or do you walk with them through the whole process?

Miraculous Shifts And Client Stories

Speaker 1 30:41

I'm with them through the process. When I'm working with people, it's usually for several months at a time. We sometimes don't meet every week, but I would say uh most people surprise me. Um, because for the simple truth, that I'm not Allison's mind is not guiding the process. It's really a collaboration between souls, between uh spirit, between their trauma and what I'm holding for them. And there's almost nothing I can predict about it. Because I've had people that have I've come with come to me with extensive trauma, things that I'm like, I don't know that I'm qualified to hold that yet. I'm not a therapist, so I've always made sure that people were working with a therapist on the side as we were in processes together, because I'm not, you know, a clinical uh psychologist. However, that being said, uh I have seen people rise through things that have been quite miraculous. Um, always because they were ready and because they um trusted themselves the process, perhaps me enough to really go there. That was the difference.

Speaker 31:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:44

But yeah, I I'm happy I can speak of something in particular if you're interested.

Speaker 31:49

I would love that. Yeah, yeah, if you have something in particular.

Speaker 1 31:51

I'll kind of name two different people here. The first one was someone who was quite young, and um, she had come to me as a dance student. You know, she was in my dance classes, and then she ended up hiring me. She was just maybe almost 20. Incredible amounts of childhood trauma was cutting herself at the time, which I didn't even know until we started working together. And you know, I also she was working with another therapist, and it was rough. It was a very rough go. Um, there was a lot of moments where um, you know, we couldn't work, you know. There were certain days where it's like, okay, we gotta stop here. You know, there was a lot because nobody had ever really been there with her or for her before. So um, what end ended up ultimately happening over, I think, about four or five months, perhaps going on and off meeting with her is that she really made a full transition of I think it's okay to be me. I think I'm safe now. And not only that, like I like who I am. And for me to see her comfortable with herself, confident, and just in a place of um not feeling shut down, or that she, you know, has to kind of like you know, mask this sort of pain by injuring herself when she can stop cutting herself. She just kind of and it's not again, I'm not a miracle worker. It's it's really about people when they're ready to say, okay, it's enough. And even um, I would say last week a woman a woman working with Lok locally here, you know, extraordinary woman had um healed herself from even before she met me, she like healed herself from uh she had broke her spine in like six places. Oh wow, whatever, like broke her spine. The doctors told her she wouldn't walk, all of that, didn't listen. What about healing herself? And then she came, we've been working together in embodied dance processes over the last couple months, and she came in and she's like, I can't walk today. Like that place in my spine is really inflamed, it's really this, it's really that. And I said, Okay, let's see what's there. So through a guided process, um what came out of that was the belief that she wasn't safe to express herself in a certain way. And it was something that happened when she was three years old that we connected it back to. And um I did a whole process with her movement, healing, etc. And not just again, this is gonna sound crazy, but she actually got up and she walked out and she's like, I think I feel okay now. No way with the pain anymore. And the thing is, is again, it's not me, and it's not even I can't say I know what it is except for you know, God, but just really creating the space for more source or God to get in and um that person to really receive that there is something for them. Um, I've seen it with myself where I've had strange things, and it's always been emotionally psychosomatically connected. I couldn't lift my arm. I was in massage therapy school, I couldn't lift my arm and like I had uh so much pain. I went to chiropractors, I went to, you know, physical therapy, I went to all these people. Nobody can help me. And I was learning about Chinese medicine in um massage therapy school. This is in 2001. I was like, they taught us in Chinese medicine that if you have a problem with the back, you work the front, if you have a problem with this, you work that. It was always the opposite. So I was like, huh, what's on the opposite side of this pain? Because it was behind my shoulder. And I said, My heart. And I let myself cry really hard, probably for about 10 minutes, and I was just bawling my eyes out. And then I stopped crying, and I was like, pain's gone. It's really informed the way that I work because it's I'm not saying that we deserve or that it's our our response, like you know, we get a terminal illness, like, oh, it's our fault, or I'm blaming myself, like none of that. It's just to be curious and say, well, God, what are the things that this is connected to? I can actually do something out, or what do I have control over? Because we don't have control over a lot, but we do have we do have control over asking questions and feeling and processing. And I do believe if something is meant and ready to change and shift and heal, it absolutely can and will.

Speaker 36:08

Yeah, I believe

Parenting, Meltdowns, And Letting Feelings Move

Speaker 36:09

in that. When you were talking about the young girl, I went through that with my oldest. We went through that. Um, she she graduated a year and a half ago, so she's she just turned 25 in March, and we were going through similar things where now it's like you said, like she's found her confidence, like she's trusting herself, she's sure of herself, but she had to be ready. And I had to get to a point where because I want to fix, I want to fix, like what can we do? What what you know, what needs to happen, and just realizing that everyone has their journey and everyone has their their you know, their path that God has set before them that is only theirs, that only he's trying to tell them something, teach them something, whatever the case may be. And once I let go of that and just sat with with it, just let her go through the process and and don't make it worse by inserting yourself, like things started to shift, uh, for sure. And um it's a there's a lot of angry moments though. Like I I make it sound so oh, it was, you know, now we're here. But it was it was very, very, very hard. And there's a lot of crying, a lot of anger.

Speaker 1 37:18

Don't get any trenches up, but there's a lot of snotty crying. It's feeling is not meant to look pretty. Gives a shit, right? This whole idea that we're supposed to be perfect and know everything and present this beautiful image of things, it's all fate sustain or support or help anyone. Just be real. Yes. That there there was a whole uh I wish that that was something that was more acceptable. Children, it's like you know, we were just given this idea, even you know, social media today. It's all about image. Yep, image management. Guess what? Those people are miserable. You want to find inner peace?

Speaker 37:57

Feel your feeling.

Speaker 1 37:58

Yeah, you're not gonna do it with the right lipstick.

Speaker 38:00

No, feeling feeling the feelings is is tough. Like um a few weeks ago, actually, nobody knows this. You'll you're you're the first to know, besides my husband and my kids. I I've gone to a place where, you know, I I I have time, I get away and I and I and I sit still by myself, but I needed to get away. Like I need to remove myself from this house. I need to go somewhere. And so that's what I did. I'm like, I don't know where I'm going, but I need to be by myself. And while I was gone, um I I went up north because that's where the closest is where I can just it's trees and woods, and yeah. Yeah, it's it's really awesome up here. They well, it's where I went, it's called Deloniga, but it's the Blue Ridge Mountain. Yeah, so I went up there and that's what I did. I let myself cry. I was angry, I was hurt by some things that had happened. Um and I just went through all the emotions and I and I literally wrote the whatever emotion I was feeling, I'd let it happen. And by the end of the weekend, I'm like, okay, I'm okay now. And and um, I talked to my husband about it and let him know what I was feeling. And then we just, yeah, it was just, I was like, okay, I should do this more often. I shouldn't wait for myself to get like a full-on meltdown or or this breaking point. I just should just acknowledge it when it's happening instead of like, you're tough, you're strong, you're strong, you can do this, like you've been through harder things. Like this is a lot of the times I tell myself, this is not that serious. And it may not be that serious, but it's serious for me right now. And so I try to trivialize, like, oh, don't get angry about that, or don't be sad about that. And it's like day-to-day stuff, you know, that I try to just like to to stuff because I have a good life. And look at this, and like, what's there to be upset about? And that's the kind of stuff that I think a lot of us as women tell ourselves like it could be worse, or you know, it's not so bad.

Dance Performance Beyond Perfect Technique

Speaker 1 40:08

Absolutely, and all of that's true, but we've never been taught the importance of processing emotion, right? Um, and I want to say, in terms of dance, that that's what I may dance be for me, even if I wasn't taught that. I mean, I used to c I'm a classical, I did ballet, I'm a you know, modern dance teacher, I've done the whole professional track, I've got my master's in dance, and I always went to dance class, not from what the teacher was saying, but to process my feeling and to put it in the movement. And people would be like, Oh, you're such a good dancer. And I'm like, I'm just feeling.

Speaker 40:42

I love that.

Speaker 1 40:42

I started dancing much later in life. You know, I don't have like the world's best technique, but um I use dance as a feeling, as a feeling, you know, as a way to process. I didn't do it almost like I knew what I was doing, but it's just like it's just became that place for me. And I think a lot of people who are really good performers have that capacity, but they're often not taught to do that by their teacher. It's something they just decide like this is a safe place for me to move this, this is a safe place for me to feel this. And um, I don't even have to talk to anybody about what I'm doing, I can just feel it. And I would always tell my college kids because I used to teach, um I was a professor at a couple colleges in New York, and I'd be like, you know, you know, you as a performer to get a job is gonna be much more about what you're connected to in the moment, whether you know, far over whether or not you can do two or three or four turns. If people can feel you and they can get a sense of what you're connected to, you're gonna get the job. More important than anything else. So that was kind of what I, you know, really supported them in and and um tried to bring home because dance uh in the field itself is so, as you can imagine, technically perfection for people in the conversation. But yeah.

Speaker 41:57

So my youngest, she does ballet and she's been doing also um uh figure skating. So she just started. Yeah. I mean, she just started two two, yeah. I think it's been about two years now, not knowing not anything how to skate. Like she did not know how to stand on ice skates, and now she's competing. And that's one of the things that technically she's she's where she's supposed to be, but the emotion behind it is lacking. You know, that's where she gets the points taken away. And the ones that get higher points, you can feel them on the ice. You can feel their. I don't know if they're technically, I mean, I don't know anything about ice skating. Um, I don't know if they're doing it correctly, but like I can feel them. And so is that something that's can be taught or she okay. It's absolutely and it's not really necessarily a taught.

Speaker 1 42:49

It's you know, whoever her whoever's working with her, um, and maybe she needs a different maybe she she's about to transition.

Speaker 42:57

Yeah, she's about to transition coaches, actually.

Speaker 1 42:59

So if she can find a coach that actually a couple of things sees her. She really is, isn't just trying to make her into something, but was like, you know, whatever her name is. Like, I see you, human being, and who you are and what you're doing. Number one, baseline important that most people aren't doing. See her for who she is. Give her the safety to go there and say, you know, what would it be like if you took this piece and you you let yourself imagine like what happened at school yesterday and you just brought that in there? I like it. Just see what happened. Yeah. Like no pressure, like pressure around any of it. Like, what if you just let yourself like, what's been happening for you in life lately? What are you, what are you, what are you sad about? What are you happy about? What if you brought that into um, you know, our training today? Or what if you let yourself like think about that as you're doing this movement? How does that change this movement? Notice. And I'm gonna say a lot of people aren't, you know, coaches and people, I mean, there are some really good ones, but um

Speaker 44:00

I like that.

Speaker 1 44:01

But that's really the key to it. It's just having someone who sees her and someone who gives her the safety to explore out of curiosity without forcing an outcome. Because the whole reason they get stressed attention is because they're trying to force this outcome. Actually, in order to do that, they feel like they gotta leave everything else at the door. So it's like, no, no, don't leave it at the door. Bring it in. Just be curious about it and let's like kind of see, you know, like stumble through it a little. There's this is practice.

Fear Versus Intuition And The Senses

Speaker 44:29

So let's talk about one of the things that I've been kind of trying to figure out fear versus intuition. Like, do you ever get into like intuition and fear? Are they the same? Like, what voice are we listening to?

Speaker 1 44:42

Absolutely. Yeah, this is really great. Thank you for asking this. Um, and it's something again, baseline human stuff that we should kind of have been taught to figure out or feel even in kindergarten, right? Because it's like something like that's just um so helpful. Fear is something that I notice um that often will just bring people to like immediate worry, stress, anxiety, uh, tension, uh, worst case scenario type thing. Whereas intuition and what I want to call like God-given gis is sort of neutral. And something that can really help people, that also I talk about a bit, is understanding how information comes to you. Because we have, you know, five main senses. Of course, there's more, but when you understand like some of what your predominant senses are, that's normally the way intuition is going to come to you as well. So for people who are more kinesthetic, for example, are gonna feel um something in their body when they walk into a room. If somebody's more visual, they might notice uh something out of place or see a color or a pattern or something. People who are more auditorily driven might hear something. They might put on the radio to put on something, and like there's something is said that they needed to hear. I mean, we all have a mix of of those different senses, but I think we have stronger ones sometimes. So it can be good, I think, to understand how information really lands for us the most. I'm predominantly kinesthetic. Like you can show me something, I'm never gonna remember. Or even I'm also just very auditory, but I'm visual, which is funny because I'm a dancer and a performer, but very much feeling an auditory. So I don't see things. Like if I'm working on a client and I've been doing healing work, I don't see. Like I have teachers who see, they see all these different things. I just can feel it and I can name it. For me, it comes through almost like I know things the way I know my first name. And even when I get information that I don't like, it still comes in super neutral.

unknown 46:54

Okay.

Speaker 1 46:54

So I actually have a um a little tool around this that I'm happy to share. Please. So this was taught to me years ago by uh a guy very much into the shamanistic world. He was a former military guy who turned shaman. Anyway, there was a whole thing that happened in our uh relationship where I was on a hike with him, I almost died. There's a whole story there. But this is the guy that taught me this first tool, and I think a lot of other teachers teach this as well. I call it a basic yes-no response. And it's through the body. So, what you do is you uh, you know, make sure you're hydrated, you get yourself into a comfortable meditative place by connecting to your body, connecting to gravity. Gravity is very um helpful for people just to feel safe. So it's like what can you feel? What can you sense? Okay, I can feel like I'm seated on the chair, I can feel my feet, noticing the breath, noticing what it's doing. Maybe just taking some time to notice that everything in the room is okay in this moment, you are safe and well, giving the nervous system a chance to kind of soften a bit. So, you know, spending a few moments doing that, uh, depending on how activated you might be from wherever you're coming from. It's a great thing to do lying in the bed in the morning or before you go to sleep at night. So, what you basically do is once you feel like you've kind of come into a state of calm, is you connect with the body and you just kind of, you know, like thanks, body. Like, thank you for uh being here and doing all that you do, and thank you for um, you know, just being with me. Thank you for um all that all that that is here right now. And you just come into a relationship by acknowledging like I have a body and I can feel, you know, which sounds like really basic and silly simple, but I think most of us are kind of living from the neck up, but just like I have a body and I can feel, right? So coming into feeling, coming into awareness, like okay, I can feel the clothes on my skin, like I can feel my belly's a little gurgly from that drink or whatever, right? Just kind of noticing, just kind of becoming into relationship with some of those things, spending a few moments doing that. Over time, you won't even have to do those first two steps because you'll just get much quicker with it. But I'm talking as if I would be talking to somebody who's not familiar with just feeling. So just bringing those two things into play. Once you get into uh a relationship with more of feeling your own body, you say, Okay, body, please show me what the yes response feels like. Most of the time it's gonna feel light, it's gonna feel like an upward rise of energy, or you'll notice something expanding like your heart, or you'll there'll be some part of your body that starts to get more relaxed, more expanded, more light, usually. So you just sit there with it, okay, body. Take a nice breath with it. Please show me a yes response. And like immediately from my heart to my forehead, I feel this like upward light. And it might feel slightly different from time to time, but it's always going to be light and expansive somewhere in some kind. Okay, great, thanks. So I go neutral or clear. Thanks, body, neutral, clear. Body, please show me a no response. Immediately, I could feel my throat tighten. Body, please show me a no response, right? So you just sit in the first thing that you get, you trust it, even if it's faint. Like, oh, I could feel like my stomach tighten a little bit. Oh, I could feel like all of a sudden like my pelvis feels really heavy. Whatever. Notice the first thing. Okay, great. Neutral, clear. And then you can kind of play and test it a little bit, right? Um, like, oh, my favorite food is this, you know, and see like can you notice the light or the heavy or the expansion or the contraction? Saying something that's not true, like, oh, I should move to the desert, you know. See what your body does, like you can start to feel, oh yes, no. Test it with kind of safe to fail things that you don't have an emotional attachment to. Kind of practice it. And then once you get bold and a little current courageous, you start asking it things that maybe you're a little afraid to know the answer of. Um, or things that you're at maybe there's a little bit more weight to it, like, is it really a good idea if I take this job right now? Is it really a good idea if I stay in a relationship with this person? For my highest and best, is it for the highest and best of all concerned? Usually that's the question I'll ask. Is it for the highest and best of all concerned if I pursue this path? Is it the highest and best for all concerned if I offer that advice? And it's just listening, and you start to build this trust that over time you can just without asking the body, you'll have a conversation with someone, they'll be talking to you, and you'll feel the tightening happen. You'll feel whatever, an expansion happen. And it's your body giving you that information. This is for you, this is not for you.

The Body Yes No Intuition Test

Speaker 51:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1 51:50

So super basic, easy thing to do. It takes practice.

Speaker 51:54

I like, I like it. I'm gonna start trying to do that. It's it's one of those things that I've um so I think it was 2023. Yeah, I think it was 2023. I went to Arizona for the first time and I went with a friend to like a wellness retreat. And my very first meditation class, like there was a lot of classes that we can sign up for, and my friend's like, we're gonna wake up, we're gonna go to the meditation class. I'm like, I do not want to wake up at seven in the morning or at six in the morning to go to seven o'clock class to meditate. That sounds horrible. She's like, No, we're going. I said, fine. It was the most emotional experience. It was an hour long, and I thought, there's no way my brain is gonna shut off, and there's no way I'm gonna be able to sit there and be one with my body. But gosh damn, I sat there, I got emotional, I cried like a baby. Like whatever she did just like pulled all this stuff out of me. So on my own throughout the years, I'm trying to meditate and I'm trying to be more in tune with my body. I started doing yoga. I did CrossFit for over 13, 14 years. Just gave, just gave it up last year. And I'm like, I just want more meditation, more yoga. Didn't I couldn't stand yoga, but it's I'm appreciating how it makes my body feel, how I'm more in tune with it, how I listen to it better. Um, so what you're saying, I resonate with because that's what I'm trying to do moving forward is to like be more aligned with what is my body telling me. Really? Okay.

Speaker 1 53:24

Oh, yeah.

Speaker 53:25

Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 53:26

Don't look at the legwork.

Speaker 53:27

Well, I think a lot of times as women, we don't know if our intuition is telling us the truth. Or some people will tell us, well, that's wrong to feel that way, or that's not your intuition, that's just your emotions, or whatever.

Speaker 1 53:42

It can be very, it's a it's a really great topic. And for any person, it's gonna take practice and self-trust because um the what we've been taught to listen to the mind above all things, and people are walking around with a ton of anxiety and fear that they haven't processed. There are about a lot of other things that have nothing to do with that particular situation. So the the thing that, you know, I'm sure you've had a lot of people talk about in terms of traumas or even things of that nature, is just to understand what's being activated and is what's being activated in terms of my emotion, is it bigger than what's actually happening here? Because if it is, it's probably about something that happened in the past. You know, it's like, okay, this person didn't call me back, and I'm like rageful, and it's like, well, am I really mad about that person? If I actually sit with my feeling and I place my hand on my heart, I'm actually really mad that I feel um, I feel disrespected.

Speaker 3 54:37

Yeah, period.

Speaker 1 54:38

Like if you let yourself actually meet the thing that's being asked to be met, it's like, okay, that's what it is. The the the you know, the doorway to feeling becomes more of a clear channel because when we haven't done much emotional processing, it's gonna be muddied with a lot of stuff in the past.

Speaker 2 54:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1 54:56

And that's where intuition gets tricky. Because when we have those old um worries that our our younger self had about being safe, belonging, being um, you know, uh a lot of things, right? Uh when those places are not where they haven't even been touched before, you're gonna be in a a landmine.

Speaker 3 55:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1 55:18

But coming back just simply to the process of feeling, acknowledging what you feel, acknowledging what's here. And is what I'm currently noticing or experiencing a match to this situation, or is it about something bigger? Most of the time, the younger self.

Speaker 55:35

Yeah, yeah.

When Trauma Muddies The Signal

Speaker 1 55:36

So, and I'm I mean, I'm on the journey just as much as anyone. I don't claim to have done all the work and be perfect. Like, this is what I do when I notice like stuff coming up for me, like, oh well, he said that, and now really feeling this. What's that really about? Meet it with compassionate curiosity. Oh, there's a part of me that feels bad because of this. Great. I can work with that.

Speaker 55:59

I um this is off topic, but talking about how you pro like I'm learning to process things and and and ask questions. Do you ever get like tired? I always ask God, I'm like, when when do I stop asking questions? Or is this gonna be like this for the rest of my life? And it's empowering in one sense, but in another sense, it's exhausting because there's people walking through this world that are that don't even have the ability to do anything that we're talking about. So when you see other people just kind of floating through life, just oblivious, I'm like, oh, I wish I could be like I'm like, I don't really wish to be like that. But it it's kind of frustrating where it's like this takes a lot of work. It does take a lot of work, and it could be exhausting to be so in tune.

Speaker 1 56:45

For the healer, okay.

Speaker 56:46

Okay.

Speaker 1 56:47

I won't I'll put you in that cave, but I'm just meaning you, but I'm just gonna feel from you and from what you're called to do. When we have, you know, when we're the person in the family who is taken on um on a soul level, uh, the bigger work, we have a harder job that a lot of people don't have, but we get a bigger reward too, I want to say, on a lot of levels, because um we get that incredible aliveness and we also get such a deeper relationship with God. We get um to we get peace. And it doesn't mean that you know it's better or work better, it has nothing to do that, but it means that there was something about our soul that said, uh, I can I'm gonna walk through the fire down there. There's something in you that's equipped to do it. And I what I notice is it comes in waves, is that it's not always, you know, it's like you'll go through something that really kicks your butt, and then it's like, okay, then you've got a season where things are kind of a little softer. But yeah, I asked my mentor that the same class. She's now in her 80s. I was like, Kara, does it ever end?

Speaker 57:48

She's like, No, I knew that, I knew it. I knew you were gonna say no. I knew it in my heart.

Speaker 1 57:54

And her work was, you know, she worked as a healer and an artist her whole life as well. And um, she's like, but it it just becomes different. It's like it's not as heavy. Still have questions, you still think through things and process them and and move through them. It's just not, you know, it's not the heavy lifting. Sometimes you'll have extra heavy lifting, but um, yeah, when you do a lot of the deeper childhood work, you know, you've kind of at that point done a good portion of it.

Speaker 58:23

Well, I was hoping for a different answer, but I'll I'll take it. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 58:28

Well, the good thing is is that you know, I think everybody's journey is so incredibly unique. And the thing that could support us, if I can leave with anything the most, is the deeper that we listen, the less hard it gets. So the more that we stay in touch with what I'm gonna call, you know, the the human level of whatever Trinity, you know, God, heart, and earth, the more that we stay connected as a human to those three things and listen, the easier it gets. And I think it's when stuff is coming at us and we choose to go like that that stays hard. I'm speaking for my thinking about myself and I'm thinking about, you know, I'm not thinking about anything particular, but my own life and experience. When I go no or I disconnect, that's what shits hard. When I stay connected, it's not perfect. Um, I mean, but it is perfect on some level. Like it's not always easy, but it's always perfect. There'll be the things that come in and that come out, but I'll listen and ask, and I'll be connected more.

Healing Fatigue And Staying Connected

Speaker 1 59:26

Spirit, earth, heart. I'll always know what to do. I'll always go, okay, this is really difficult, and I'm like crumbling right now, but I can hold it and feel it, and I know that it's gonna be okay. And it's yeah, one of those those times where I say, Oh, there's all these red flags, but I'm choosing to do this anything. I've made a lot of choices that were really harmful for me.

Speaker 59:48

So it it it is it is very powerful to be connected because even when I get a message that is kind of like like going back to me going out of out of town, what really happened is I got in a big fight with my husband, and him and I are like best friends. We click on so many levels, but something happened. We and it was ugly. And I was like, I'm already holding on to some other stuff, and this just did not help. But one of the things that I did is, you know, like connect and ask and pray, and I did all the things. And on that last day, I was like, I'm just gonna be here all weekend by myself. And when I get home, I'll just get home whenever I want to get home. And and sitting still and and asking for wisdom. You know, I feel like God allowed me to go through my emotions. I was angry, I was sad, I cried. But then on that last day, he's like, okay, now you gotta you gotta reconcile and you gotta be a big girl and you gotta talk about this. And since we're only an hour away, he's like, invite your husband so that you guys can have a good talk away from the kids, away from the house. And so I was like, I don't wanna do that. I don't want to invite him here. I don't want to invite, I don't, I'm not ready. And so I was like, fine. And I gave him the address of where I was, and he's like, I'll be there. Like, I'll be there in an hour. And he got there and we talked. But it was one of those things where God doesn't always give you the answer that you want to hear. But it's like you said, it's the perfect one, it's the perfect one for you. And sometimes we just have to do the hard things and and keep it moving because he knows what's best.

Speaker 1 1:01:22

So I think I could tell you spiritual in that regard as well. But that changed my life, just being able to invite back in the um the presence and the holding of God in my life, like such a big thing. And um, I think it's the thing that people can learn how to do. Be in relationship with your creator, just be in relationship. You don't have to follow um, you know, laws and facts and figures, just connect and talk.

Speaker 1:01:50

Yes, that's the truth.

Speaker 1 1:01:52

That would be the the main thing that I would say in terms of taking healing to the next level. Physical healing on one level can happen in that way, but I feel like true, lasting, miraculous healing always involves God.

Speaker 1:02:04

Yeah. Well, I love that, Allison. I can I can continue to talk to you for forever. Like, really. This was a really, really great, insightful conversation.

Where To Find Alison And Offerings

Speaker 1:02:14

Where can we find you? What's a good website for you?

Speaker 1 1:02:17

Sure. So I I share a majority of um things uh of my content and such. I want to say Instagram is my place where I'm the most, it's embodied.dance. Uh, my website, which talks more about the leadership training and embodied dance uh teachers, uh, is embodied dash dance. But if you go to the Instagram page, you'll see all the links that have other programs that I've offered. I also we talked about rage. I work with women around sacred rage as well, processing all their rage through the body, through dance. Um, so I have a couple of different offerings that people can pop into if they're curious and they want to start working with their body and yeah, learning how to trust again, learning how to be in their own authority, in their own feeling, and letting that be the leading force versus the outside. Um what we're being told, which isn't always good for us and isn't always true. So how do we know the difference? That's what I really, you know, want to leave people with is how do you be kind of become your own inner body in a way that no matter what's coming at you, you are sourced to your own information and wisdom and you trust it and can move from that.

Speaker 1:03:21

That's beautiful. And I'll make sure to share all of your information. I thank you so much, Alison. Like really, this was really, really good. And thank you, thank you, thank you for coming on.

Speaker 1 1:03:31

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad it all worked together.

Speaker 1:03:34

Yes, it did.

Speaker 1 1:03:35

Uh, you know, it's been it's been so fantastic to connect with you as well.

Speaker 1:03:38

Much love. Thanks, Allison. Thank you, thank you, thank you. All right, take care. You too. I'll leave you with this.

Gut Feeling Theory And Closing

Speaker 1:03:45

This is what we call the gut feeling theory. It says, your body senses the truth before your mind does. That tightness, restlessness, or unease isn't random. It's a signal. We often ignore it out of fear or doubt, but your peace is your proof. Trust the whisper before it turns into a scream. Thank you so much for listening to Virago247. If you haven't done so already, go ahead and hit that subscribe button and please give us five-star ratings. Also, don't forget to follow us on Instagram at Virago24 underscore seven and on Facebook at Virago24 slash 7. And just connect with us and share your story. We'd love to hear from you.