Whole Again

You can have the affirmations, the routines, and the “strong mind” and still feel strangely disconnected inside. That’s the moment we lean into here: not more hustle, not another identity upgrade, but integration. I’m joined by Marvin L. Wilkerson, a spiritual coach, hypnotherapist, and astrologer with decades of experience helping people uncover karmic patterns, release emotional blocks, and align mind, body, and soul.

We talk about why healing often stalls when it stays purely mental, and how the subconscious mind quietly runs the show through conditioning, fear, and negative self-talk. Marvin shares how evolutionary astrology can act like an energy map for what your soul came here to learn, and how hypnotherapy and quantum healing states can help you soften the ego’s grip so your nervous system can finally settle. We also unpack “soul fragmentation” and the real-life ways it can show up, from chronic stress and grief to feeling drained in relationships or stuck in compulsive loops.

You’ll leave with grounded takeaways you can try right now, including a simple gut-check practice for separating intuition from anxious thinking, plus a clearer framework for change: beliefs shift over time, and real change usually asks us to risk something. If you’ve been craving peace, clarity, and a more centered version of yourself, press play and come sit with this conversation. 

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Transcript

From Transformation To Integration

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Today's episode is for anyone who has ever felt like they were doing all the right things, but still felt disconnected inside. You know that feeling. When your mind is trying to be strong, your body is carrying stress you can't explain, and your spirit is just tired. We talk a lot about transformation here, but today we're going deeper than mindset. We're talking about integration. What happens when healing isn't just mental or emotional or spiritual, but all of it together. Our guest today, Marvin L. Wilkerson, brings a powerful perspective on what it really means to align the mind, body, and soul. This conversation is about understanding yourself on a deeper level, recognizing where healing is needed, and learning how to come back into balance, not by becoming someone new, but by becoming more whole. So if you've ever been in a season of growth, if you've been doing the work, or if you're just tired of feeling fragmented and ready to feel centered again, this episode is going to speak to you. Let's get into it. Hi, I am your host, Leonette Halley, and you are listening to Virago 24-7. Virago is Latin for female warrior, and 24-7 is for all day, every day. Virago 24-7 is a weekly podcast that brings diverse women together to talk about life and our experiences in this world, which are our views on self-love, mental health, marriage, children, friendships, and really anything that needs to be talked about. Here you will find everyday growth, everyday healings, and everyday warriors. And over the past three decades, he has guided clients to uncover their karmic patterns, release emotional blocks, and align their true spiritual essence. He has also written a book called Soul Fusion Healing: Integrating Mind, Body, and Soul. Welcome, Marvin.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Well, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

So I always love people's origin stories. So let's start from the beginning. Like, how did you get into this passion for astrology, hypnotherapy, um, spiritual coaching? What led you to that?

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Well, it all got started in when I was 18 years old and uh read the book Um Think on These Things by Judah Krishna Murdy, which moved me towards a more metaphysical, spiritual uh ideas about things that I could think for myself and come to um beliefs that were that felt better than um the the religious um programming that we were in as uh growing up as children. Um so then I got you know an astrology reading, a psychic reading, card readings. And of course, um I lived in Virginia Beach, which is uh the Edgar Casey Foundation, is there. So I did a lot of research in the Edgar Casey Foundation and a lot of their a lot of his readings. So that's kind of where I got my start. And then, of course, in the 80s, I uh started really getting deeply into astrology and um started doing it professionally uh in the early 90s.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

So, with all of these things, how do they come together? Like how do you coach someone? Obviously, you're about the mind, the body, and the soul. Um, how do you bring all these things together to help us um be at peace with ourselves and you know come to terms with any trauma that we've had?

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Well, all is energy, so that's where the astrology comes in. And then all is in the subconscious mind, and that's where hypnosis comes in. So when I get people that come to me with conflicts or um struggles in their life, then I'm going to do both of them. Um the astrologically, I'll be able to understand the energy. It's a map of energy of their uh of their life, and it's what the soul came in to accomplish. As a spiritual astrologer, I work with evolutionary astrology based upon the principles of you came in to accomplish uh certain goals, certain perspectives and perceptions that have been error in your past. And so you as we go through life and and uh go through the experiences, well then these kind of come up as uh what is a another perspective than the one that I had that is um not aligning up with me. Um Carl Jung said, you know, when the when the conscious mind knows what's in the subconscious mind, you'll be enlightened. And so what we've got to do is every conflict, every illness, every disease, every manifestation of energy is is uh is the conflict that uh if we're not aligning with our authentic self, our self-realized self.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Okay. So give me an example of like, I'm coming to you. Do you deal with all types of trauma, or is there certain things that you deal with, or is it just a matter of the individual? How do you how do you walk someone through through that? Like I'm curious, like what the process is, or does it just depend on the individual?

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I mean, the first thing that I do is I pull a chart, um, the astrology map, and as you're talking to me about different issues, I can see what energies that you are struggling with or working with, or see what energies are uh dominating you right now, causing the the conflict. And then once I once I understand that and we can we relate to that, then I can uh once I find the source of that conflict, then I can find the source of what is the programming from your early childhood, what is their conditioning um that you are operating with versus operating how you would prefer to see it. So we break it down into some somewhat of uh it's it's always a conflict between the head and the heart.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

And when there's a conflict between the head and the heart, that's a problem.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

Oh yeah. So how do we bring those two things together so they align?

Five Sessions To Rewire Patterns

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Well, because we've got to understand that what is in your mind, uh, your self-talk, your ego, um, your personal consciousness is has uh programs and conditioning that's an error to who you are as a soul, as a person. And so my job would be to help you get that aligned so that you see where you're operating or talking to yourself through self-talk that's negative, so that you can then get much more in alignment with how you prefer to believe and communicate with yourself. And so the problem is, is I mean, you know, however, um whatever the subconscious mind is feeding you, then that is a chemical reaction in the brain. And the chemical reaction, I I like to make it simple. In other words, if you have an issue, then there is a connection in one part of the brain that is connecting to a negative part that's causing the problem and it's causing the imbalance chemically. And so that's what we're ultimately trying to do is get into uh alignment with what you would prefer to respond to in life, how you would prefer to respond in life, and then that would require a new connection in the brain that is causing some of the um the basic issue now with the clients that you have.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

How long is this process normally take for for someone just to get it? Or does it depend?

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Well, I work with a package of five. I like to work with five sessions and they listen to recordings because anytime you go into hypnosis, you're you're leaving the ego structure, you're leaving the conscious mind. And that's where all that the the language you're using in life is causing the problems. And the ego is always trying to protect you because it's in it wants to be in charge. So as you go into hypnosis and you start seeing the relaxation you're capable of, if you start seeing the high awareness that you're capable it of, if we go into quantum healing, well, you're losing a sense of identity, a separateness from universal consciousness or God or whatever you uh aspire. Um and so once you've experienced all that, well, then you come more in alignment with your authentic self, your true self, how you would like to be in balance, or how you would like to be centered, or how you would like to think about things um that are different than what the ego mind is thinking.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

So let's can we talk about your book? Because I'm sure all these things are in this book. So you you wrote a book, Soul Fusion, um, healing, integrating mind, body, and soul. What is um what inspired you? Like, is it years of all your research, or how did you get to writing your book?

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Well, I mean, you know, above all, I'm a metaphysicist, metaphysician, so you know, I'm always seeking truth for many, many, many, many years. And um I I I frequently tell people that um there's universal laws, and universal truths and laws can come from many different ways. Um, from esoteric traditions to Hermeticism, uh, Vedic philosophies comes from natural laws through physics. I just love quantum physics, uh, biology, um, and then philosophies like the great um Plato, Aristotle, uh, Marcus Aurelius, Stoicism. And then, of course, we have modern psychology, it's a body mind sciences, like a Carl Jung, like um and New Thought, um, Neville Goddard are um are just some of the sources where what I try to uh understand universal law as if if Lazou said it 1500 years before Christ, and every realized being since then has been saying the exact same thing up to modern day psychology, that must be true.

unknown 12:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

And that becomes a universal law. It's a universal truth. And then the final step is what my teacher taught me in the 90s, and that's walk the talk. Yeah. If you can't walk the talk, throw it away. Yeah, but whatever you believe in, and I don't care if you're a Christian, if you're a Buddhist, or you're any number of religious orientations, or you're just a spiritual metaphysician, walk the talk. And then that will bring you into balance, and that will make correction in the ego structure and your heart. And it will make corrections in the chemical uh responses in the brain. And so when I wrote Soul Fusion Healing, um I I put all that stuff in there. Everything that I've been studying for 50 years in astrology, for over 25 years doing regression therapies back when us hippies did it back in the 70s. So all these things are combined. And then, of course, uh, as we've um come to get into a ability as a hypnotist to get into higher consciousness, to where we lose that sense of separateness, that really magnifies true healing. So when you think about it, if you align with universal consciousness without the separate identity, well then whatever is there is healed because all there is is perfection. And that's ultimately uh what we try to do through ultra height, through quantum healing, and um through uh uh a number of different um hypnotic um uh uh suggestions and inductions to get you into a relaxed state. So the Buddha says if you you are you you are relaxed, that's who you are. And so it's not your thinking, it's your relaxation.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

That allows you to get a sense of who you truly are.

Soul Fragmentation And Energy Attachments

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Yeah. I love that. I love that. Um you mentioned what when I was researching your book and researching you, um, soul fragmentation kept coming up. What what is that exactly? What's the definition of that?

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Well we we can fragment out of our our if we start from our authentic self-realized self, everything that you go through from emotion, from psychological, from spiritual, even from the physical, detaching from the physical body in some way. That's all fragmentation. You're fragmenting off away from who your authenticity and who you really truly are. So um it can happen in a number of different ways. Um, if you go under anesthesia in surgery, this can cause a fragmentation. Uh, if you get into an emotional um orangutan, emotions cause a separation. Um if you get into a uh energy leakage where other people or situations drain you. You know, one of the things that I like to tell people, you know, you've you've seen people over uh that have passed on, and then the the loved ones were saying, standing over the casket, weeping and saying, Don't leave me, don't leave me. Well, you know what? Sometimes they don't. Wow, yeah. And they attach energetically to your auric field, which then has repercussions in your character. So there's lots of different ways, behaviors, addictions, compulsions, self-sabotaging behavior, um any of these things. When you get overtired, um and you start acting out of out of your normal patterns of things, your normal rituals, well, there's a fragmentation there. So the fragmentations that we're typically trying to um bring together are the emotional ones and um and the attachments. So that you know we are um getting more into our authenticity, self-realization. We're acting more like ourselves when we when we have um, you know, I'm always uh talking about beliefs. You shouldn't have beliefs. No, there are no beliefs.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Okay, what do you mean by that?

Responsibility Relationships And Becoming Real

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Well, when you have a belief, you're in a structure within that belief. And that doesn't leave open the possibilities of things in life. When you when you ascend, there's no beliefs on the next level. None. You're in universal consciousness, universal awareness. What is there to believe? So the more we can live in the moment, the more we can stay in the now, the more we can operate from feelings instead of thinking, the more we are in alignment. And that's what we're all struggling to do through relationships, through uh our our feelings about things, but feelings are true. Emotions are true. The problem is we can all have love, joy, peace, happiness, and this these are good emotions. And that's the gift to humanities to have good emotions about things. The the negative emotions, which can come up as fear, doubt, anxiety, depression, all the negative self-talk that don't make us feel good at all. These are all negatives that we need to come to a balance with. So we need to change a perspective about them, a perception that we've had carried on from lifetime to lifetime. So we have past experiences where we come to a certain perspective or perception about something, and it's an error. You're all gods. Why why are we creating anything but that creations that make us happy and joyful? How come we can't just live in the moment and accept everything that goes on in our life as opportunity? It's teaching us to become more in alignment. So that's what I've tried to convey in the book. Um, is how to get in alignment with yourself on a body, mind, and soul relationship. You know, I have a lot of people that come to me sometimes and say, Well, I I meditate four and five hours a day, and I'm trying to be a good person and all of that. I'm trying to be spiritual. I says, Well, how about quit trying to be spiritual because you are spiritual? And how about just being a human?

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Yeah, yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

That's where you're getting the opportunity to learn and grow in this world. Yeah, that's the opportunity. So, this is all an opportunity for us to grow and to become self realized. Jesus said, Ye are all gods. I am uh what I am, you shall be, and even greater things than I have done, you shall do. Well, if you're the co creator. Creator of your life, well, then you are responsible for looking at your life and saying, Well, how did I create this? Why did I create this? Is a better question. Why did I create this conflict in my life? How do I need this person to respond to me to show me what is inside of me that I'm suppressing or hiding? Because that's what relationships do. Yeah, they teach us who we are by reflecting what's going on inside of us externally, so that we can decide. Yeah, I mean, I see I had skin in the game there. I I take responsibility for that. This is the way I would prefer to act, believe, and to relate. Or I don't have any skin in the game at all. I'm neutral. So what are you what you're showing me is your anger, your frustration, your emotion. So it's about taking responsibility uh w for our intentions. If we have intention somewhere of not getting along or whatever the in uh intention is to do, well, we have to take responsibility for our intention because that's what the universe is looking at. What's your intention? I want to know what's in your heart. Yeah, and so does your universal consciousness. I don't care about your everyday drama. Yeah, I don't care about your, you know, having some driver pull in front of you.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

How do you how do you deal with people that, you know, if if you're you're more aware and you and obviously you done a lot of research, so you're practicing what you preach, and there's many people in this world that just don't get it. How do you deal with how do you interact with those people?

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Oh, well, you deal with not the level they're at. You don't you don't you don't you you don't go there. I mean, I do I'm I'm uh I uh I like to tell the story about you know I work out with in aerobics with 15 women three times a week. Do you really?

SPEAKER_03 24:29

I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

And I I I pick on all of them. They all love me. I'm kind of like a mascot. Oh, I love that. And it's the YMCA, so it's a very Christian-oriented organization. I don't have a problem with that. I I used to read what Jesus said in the Bible from a little kid, reading the red in the in the family Bible, just page after page of the New Testament, reading what Jesus said. And so I know the Bible pretty well. And uh so when you tell me you're a Christian, well, then I'm gonna find out how authentic Christian you are. And so that's where I come from. Um I don't try to show people, you know, things that I mean, you know, I guess I guess the best verbiage to that is don't cast before pearls before swine. Or they may render them unto you. So I don't tell everybody I'm an astrologer. I don't even know that some of those women even know I'm a hypnotist.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Oh, really? Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

They know I love to have fun, they know I like to tease, they know I love to play. I love that. I love that. And I know I, you know, I give them jade plants that I grow, you know, profusely. I have a I have a wine and cheese party that they can come and, you know, outside of the uh workout arena. So, you know, I'm just a regular person. I just worked hard to be in more in alignment with who I am.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

And I try to learn from my relationships of what I would like to change or how I would like to respond. So it's always you're always in a working atmosphere for yourself, and then you're in a communication atmosphere when you're just communicating and talking to people. And if there's something you can help them with, I do. And if there's, and if I'm not asked, I don't give it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

So I mean, I can, you know, I can walk in and just say, you know, and I used to be early on in my earlier days, I used to, you know, say, well, what's your sun sign? Because you moment you tell me your sun sign, I get a whole catalog of who you are, what's going on with you, what energy is happening. Okay. And that's not and that's not fair. I mean, I I don't want to uh look, I can't heal people if you want if you don't want to be healed. So it has to be an equal exchange of energy. The greater burden or the greater sin is to lift the burden from the one that's supposed to carry it.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Oh, wow. That's deep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

So you know, it's um uh so that's why I talk about working with conflict. What's what's the conflict? I mean, you know, uh, as a hypnotist, I'm the last person you come to. You've already been the doctors and psychologists and and soothsayers and everybody before you get to me. Yeah, and the truth is, is I should be the first one. Really? Okay. The subconscious mind is is is what you heal. And you know, you're not going to heal somebody through taught therapy. So there's lots of different therapies you can go through. Uh, my preference is, of course, uh hypnotherapy, but you know, I've studied emotion code, body code, EMT, uh, EMD. Uh so I have all of them, I have experience in all of them, but I found that hypnosis is the um it's the deepest and easiest recognized healing. And when you're healing the subconscious programming and conditioning, well then you're healing the chemical responses in the brain.

SPEAKER_02 29:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

And so you're healing your life. I mean, I've worked with people that's had strokes, I've worked with people that's got had cancer. And sometimes it's, you know, it's important to just come to terms with where you are in an illness. Come to terms with where you are after having a stroke. You see, because everything is opportunity, and everything has some sort of connection to what you're needing to learn in the present. The Buddha said, if you want to know the past, look at the present. If you want to know the future, look at the present. There's only now.

unknown 29:49

Yeah.

A Simple Gut Check Practice

SPEAKER_02 29:51

I love this message. This is where um my journey has been. You're saying it very eloquently, but this is the stuff that I'm trying to learn and I'm trying to take in and and grow from it. So I I I love everything that you're saying. Um, what is something from your book, just a simple practice for anybody listening that can they can do it today, they can start like right now.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

The biggest difference everyone can make is to realize that your conscious mind doesn't need you. It's a liar, and it it is trying to get control over you because it's fearful. You see, we're all born with the seed of destruction. You know what that seed is? Fear.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

And of course, I'm a big David Hawkins, Dr. David Hawkins fan. So I tell people, look, you give me 101 fears, and I'll give you 101 things you've made up in your mind. There are no fears. You make them up. And so what I try to help people with is when you understand the ego mind is only out for itself, then what is the truth is your feelings that is in the middle of your chest, that is in your gut. And when you get something in your head that says something and it makes you feel bad, or whatever it says, you run it down to your gut and you say, How does that feel? And if it feels good, well then your thinking and your feelings are in alignment. If it doesn't feel good, then you reject the thought, you reject the thinking. That's negative self-talk. So if it, you know, I joke with people, I mean, you gotta come, you gotta, you gotta start doing what I grew up with in the 60s and 70s. If it with us hippies, if it feels good, do it.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

And if it don't feel good, don't do it.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

That is funny. That's funny, but I do love that because for for me, it's something that I've been doing. Like if I get anxious or I'm feeling something heavy on my chest, I literally say, like, let it go. I literally just go like this because it's like I'm trying to get it out, reject it. And it sounds so silly, but I've been doing it the past few months and it's actually works. It just, I'm like, just take it away, just get out of here. Cause um, you know, a lot of my life has just been based on like fear and anxiety and and that that that talk, man, that negative loathing, just self-talk has just been horrendous in my life. So the past few years, that's what I'm trying, I'm trying to get to exactly what you're talking about. Just letting go. Because obviously things are going to come in. I mean, you can't, you can't really protect that as it's just what you do with it, is when I'm realizing let's think about it like this.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

You're a soul that has come in to experience specific things for soul growth. Not human growth, soul growth. All desire is sent to you by your soul. You're not making it up, you're not creating desires if they're being given to you. Okay, and they're being given to you for a specific reason to face a specific event, relationship, or experience so that you can reconcile, you can change your perspective, your perception that's been an error. When you face a fear, when I started working on that, I mean, if I felt the fear, I immediately faced it. Immediately. Really? Yes, really, really. I remember being doing a hypnosis class, and somebody said, um, something about doing, we're looking for a stage hypnotist. And I and I immediately had this gut feeling of fear and just anxiety. And I said, no, no, no. I said, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

And I went and took two courses on stage hypnosis, and I learned from one of the best in the world, and I went and did it for a high school, and I hated it, but I did it.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

But you did it, so just do it. I did it. Yeah. So I faced my fear, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Because it's not who I am. I'm not a, I mean, you know, when you're a stage hypnotist, you're kind of uh on the uh I mean, you're you you need to have a little bit of humor and you need to have some, you know, a pizzazzzy personality. And I don't have that. I'm a very serious kind of guy. Now, if you give me a project that you want to get done, I'm your man.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

But if you want me to be all funny and crazy on the spur of the moment, I'm not your guy. I mean, it's not that I can't tease and I can't be funny, but it ain't gonna be when the cameras are on. So I recognize it as me.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

That's okay. And it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

But when I had that feeling of fear and anxiety inside of me, I said, oh no, no, no, you're not gonna be there. I'm gonna face that. And that's how you face one fear at a time.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

I love that. I love it. Um, starting this podcast was very, I was very fearful to start. Um, and I started five years ago. But I, but you like you said, like that desire, like there's just something in you that just doesn't go away. And I'm like, because I believe in God. So I'm like, Lord, I know you put this on my heart, but I don't really, I'm like freaking out over here. And and so I love that you say like these desires that are given to you. Um sometimes I just want to push them away. And how do you how do you know if a desire is um because sometimes I feel like sometimes my desire is maybe selfish because it's about what I feel like I need to accomplish in this life, in this world.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Well, yeah, but I mean, if you have a selfish selfish desire, well then you've got to get to the place of why you think it's selfish. Okay. That would be the lesson, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Anxiety Safety And The Body’s Signals

SPEAKER_01 37:15

You're not a selfish person by nature. That is not a normal response to life. I mean, we're all here to help each other. We're all connected universally to each, to humans, to animals, to nature, to the universe. There's always a connection. And the thing that I uh I like to help people understand is universal consciousness is with you all the time. All the time. You are never disconnected from your maker. Now you may block it through all of your emotions or your programming or conditioning or whatever, but you're always connected. Yeah, you're always a spiritual being, and so you have to decide that I'm having this desire. So what I try to do is I say, okay, what is this teaching me? What is this showing me? Okay, and that's the way I take responsibility for everything that happens in my life because I created it. And if I created it, well then what is why did I create it? What's it showing me? What's it teaching me? And this goes into relationships, to experiences. And so, you know, when your body tightens up, uh when I call that the the third brain is called the gut brain, because that's where all your nerve bundles meet. And then those send information up your vagus nerve in your back up to your subconscious mind, which is always going every second. Am I safe? Am I safe? Am I safe? Am I safe?

SPEAKER_03 39:11

I laugh because it's so true. It's like constantly like, what's what's happening? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

And so uh you're you're actually responding to some sort of fear, and the subconscious mind is going through the Rolodex of when you first had got that fear, and it's figuring out how you responded, and that's the response that it's going to recreate in the moment. And so when you have an anxiety, let's say, well, that anxiety came from a past event that you experienced that could have been hurtful. And now every time that possibility of that event comes up in the moment, well, your subconscious is going to respond like it responded to that hurtful event back there and protects you against experiencing that again. Because this mind can walk into work late and go, Oh my God, I'm late.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

And then this mind, this ego mind, goes, Well, you could lose your job, you could get fired, how you gonna put food on the table, how you gonna feed your family, how are you gonna pay your mortgage?

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Yeah, even though you know that's not gonna happen, it still runs through your mind, and that affects your feelings and emotions as a negative. David Hawkins talks about, and he's a supreme uh kinesthetic guy of measuring muscle strength, muscle testing. When you have a negative thought, just a negative thought, you lose 50% of your muscle strength.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Wow. 50%.

unknown 41:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

And you can test it using kinesthetics, raising an arm and having somebody, I mean, you can do it, anybody can do it. Have somebody raise an arm, think of a positive, feel how strong the arm is stretched out, and then think of a negative, and it'll immediately go weaker or limp, depending on the negative look or the negative um image in your mind. And so that's how we can evaluate everything in our life.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Is it more common for people to first notice like an imbalance in their mind, their body, or their soul?

Beliefs Change Only When Something’s Risked

SPEAKER_01 41:59

The body responds to your conscious mind. So everything is coming out of your conscious mind, your conditioning and your programming, and it's responding in the body. And so you want to go to the subconscious mind to correct how the chemicals and how the body is responding to that, and at the same time, what is the belief that caused the problem? Because every problem has a belief. I like to walk up to people sometimes when they when they're kind of rubbing their shoulder and say, Well, what's wrong with your shoulder? Oh, it's it's achy or hurts or whatever. Well, what's the belief that you have that's holding on to it? And so to change your life, you have to change the beliefs.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

That's really hard. This is why I say Marvin, that's really hard to change beliefs that are so ingrained in like your whole psyche, that's so hard. Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

Well, and that's why I say it takes time.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

I mean, you gotta this isn't something you just get rid of all beliefs in one day. That's true. I mean, you gotta you gotta work on your beliefs and find out well, why do I why am I finding security in this belief? What makes you think you need security? What makes you think you aren't secure? Wow you see, yeah. And so you you you you you try to understand. I have a thing on the back of my computer where everybody sits across from me, but they have to read it. Before you'll change, something must be at risk.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

Yeah, say that again. Say that again. That's deep.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

Before you'll change, something must be. at risk. So you see the interconnectedness to all of this. And it's and it's, I mean, you know, I'm an old geezer, so I've lived a lifetime of working on this. But you know, when you're uh when you're a young person or a middle-aged person, you got a lot of years to keep growing and amassing knowledge and truths and becoming more self-realized, becoming more living authentically in balance. I like to you know we used to talk about in the early days about getting in the center, center yourself. You know, and I had to learn how to do that when I'd have a driver pull in front of me or something or do something. I mean I'd get all kind of rangy and I go, sinny yourself, Marvin, sinny yourself. You know you've done the same thing in the past. Forgive the person and move on.

SPEAKER_03 45:01

Oh so many pep talks we have to give ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

You know and so this doesn't happen the first time it might take a couple months.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

It might take a couple years to learn how to stay calm and stay peaceful when things are presented to you experiences.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

What other messages from your book that you would want people to to take away from today that we haven't touched on?

SPEAKER_01 45:28

I like the three mind concept. I think that's kind of what we've been talking about. But once you separate the ego mind, the subconscious mind and the unconscious mind unconscious is where you're getting from your family your heritage your epigenetics the subconscious is the file cabinet of everything that's ever occurred in your soul's existence and your ego mind is what you use to be able to to traverse this planet to see hear taste smell and touch. Your instincts your intuition your intuitive abilities are what really guides you and leads you into following a truth. And so it's it's very important to trust your intuition and a lot of times I teach people I know they're intuitive I as a matter of fact I know people are just full blown psychic and I and I might say that and they go well I'm not psychic I said you're so psychic it ain't even funny.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

Really so they don't know that about themselves but you see it in them?

SPEAKER_01 46:41

Oh yeah. And so you got and so what I tell them I said do this for me. When you have a question don't just keep it in your mind and think of the question in your mind. Ask out loud because you got angels guides and teachers that all hear it and they will give you answers to questions or whatever you want to know. Whatever you want to know is available to you anytime you want to know it. And so you I I try to get people to say out loud especially spiritual people. Don't be thinking it in your head say it. I want your ears to hear it and now you can fix it. I love it because you want to get the answer. Yeah I mean and it can be as simple as I'll I'll misplace a tool and say where in the heck did I put that and I'll look right at it and I'll oh thank you spirit something as simple as that I love it.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

Just as simple as that yeah I mean we have so much guidance and so much help and we refuse to use it.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

That's a great message. It really is that's a great great message. One of the things that I've been asking for because I believe in that um if you ask for wisdom or ask for clarity that it is given to you. So one of my prayers that I've been praying the past few years is Lord give me wisdom. Just give me wisdom give me clarity give me knowledge and open my eyes and so those are the things that I'm always asking for. And you know like you said it takes it takes a long time to get there. So I feel like I'm I'm I'm in that in that on that journey on that healing journey of just asking for what I want asking for clarity. Because a lot of the way I move through this world is when you were talking about stability and fear, like those two things ring so true to me. And like feeling um like my I feel like my childhood was a lot of just a lot of moving not feeling uh stable not feeling centered not feeling a part of something because we moved constantly I was always the new girl it's it's like so ingrained in you it's it's it's crazy. So I love everything you're saying I'm gonna soak it all in and um and use it. I'm gonna use this yeah because I'm already there so you're just giving you adding more to it you're adding more to to things that I'm already aware of. So I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

Well I appreciate you having me and I appreciate the work you're doing on yourself.

Turning Inward And Final Sendoff

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SPEAKER_02 49:21

Oh thank you thank you it's it's it's a journey but man I I feel like once you just get tired of feeling a certain kind of way and and moving through life and just uh yeah like that heaviness I just got tired and and it's like I I have to do something different. I have to show up differently I have to communicate differently I have to yeah show up in relationships differently it's yeah so it's it's been a journey but it's exhausting Marvin it's exhausting well just remember a journey of a thousand miles begins one step at a time I love that and we can find everything out about you on sofusionhealing.com correct like everything I saw a blog on there I saw your book I saw all of your services you can go to blhypnosis.com and you can go to astromarf.com okay so three websites all my information is on all three of those websites perfect I appreciate you for coming on with me is there anything else that we haven't touched on that you would like to put on the table you know sweetie we can talk and talk is awesome forever right I don't I don't know what I don't know a stop button I I feel like you've given us a lot to to chew on and a lot to ponder on and I really really thank you well I I appreciate you having me and giving me the opportunity to express this to all your listeners that's for sure well I will make sure that I put all your information on the show notes and that way people can come to you and do hypnosis and and all your services that you have. Wonderful thank you thank you so much for being on Virago 247 and you take care. You take care as well I will leave you with this the most powerful thing you can ever do is turn inward and start working on yourself. Not because you're broken but because you deserve peace. It's about facing the parts of you that hurt the insecurities that whisper lies and the thoughts that weigh you down. Growth doesn't come from pretending to be perfect it comes from choosing to heal choosing to rise and choosing to believe you are already enough the day you make peace with yourself is the day you truly become free thank you so much for listening to Virago247. If you haven't done so already go ahead and hit that subscribe button and please give us five star ratings. Also don't forget to follow us on Instagram at Virago24 underscore seven and on Facebook at Virago24 slash seven and just connect with us and share your story. We'd love to hear from you